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to the u.s.-led in the evenhanded role when one party to a conflict is sometimes a u.s. ally to which we have security commitment? >> i think the current position of the united states government and islamist sustained of her previous administrations over all of the romney and mr. nation is on most of these issues, where there is conflict in claims, the united states government takes no position as to the resolution of the disputes, although we do insist her hope the resolution will be achieved through peaceful means. there are small but important exceptions regarding the principle, that the question of its inclusion in the u.s.-japan treaty, defense treaty. u.s. interests are deeply engaged by these disputes and potential conflicts. i think they are heating up for a variety of reasons. nationalism i think plays a huge role in us in particular in china, but not only there, but also energy, but was really writing this is a desire to exploit energy reserves that are thought to lie underneath these pieces of rock, which are not themselves of great importance. whether these d
to the u.s.-led in the evenhanded role when one party to a conflict is sometimes a u.s. ally to which we have security commitment? >> i think the current position of the united states government and islamist sustained of her previous administrations over all of the romney and mr. nation is on most of these issues, where there is conflict in claims, the united states government takes no position as to the resolution of the disputes, although we do insist her hope the resolution will be...
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the u.s. department of state and the central intelligence agency and he is the author of four books on soviet foreign policy and is also the editor of 14 of israel and middle eastern policy. and then our third speaker will be docked or stephen blank. he is a strategic study institute expert on soviet bloc and post-soviet world since 1989. he is the editor of imperial decline cannot russia's changing position in asia and coeditor of the soviet military in the future. and he will come in the last speaker, my colleague here at heritage of the senior research fellow for russian and eurasian studies. ariel has often been called to testify in russian and formal politics, economics amount before the u.s. congress and rave glory provides commentary on these issues through numerous media outlets, both domestically and across the globe. so i believe we have the right people here to discuss the topic, which i didn't come up with the title, so i can say is clever and does not feel disingenuous. how russia
the u.s. department of state and the central intelligence agency and he is the author of four books on soviet foreign policy and is also the editor of 14 of israel and middle eastern policy. and then our third speaker will be docked or stephen blank. he is a strategic study institute expert on soviet bloc and post-soviet world since 1989. he is the editor of imperial decline cannot russia's changing position in asia and coeditor of the soviet military in the future. and he will come in the last...
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do you see the u.s. at the city scale in the vanguard of particular aspects of technological innovation? maybe that, or are there, or are there some real opportunities given what we're seeing in some the other global areas? >> well, you know, as you say and as we heard before, yeah, big challenge is how to integrate things. and integration is not easy because of the silos that come from the past. because when you have to do cities, city's made of bricks and steel and concrete and glass. but how to combine all this with silicon, concrete and silicon is something we need to know how to do, and, you know, we need to fight against different departments. very few cities are bringing together the i.t. without a type of infrastructure. and now it's more and more needed, you know, if you want to do even new, say, bridge. then you also want to be able to monitor it, to see its condition, to see when you need to repair it, so that's the i.t. side that has to come together. so i think, you know, that's a part of th
do you see the u.s. at the city scale in the vanguard of particular aspects of technological innovation? maybe that, or are there, or are there some real opportunities given what we're seeing in some the other global areas? >> well, you know, as you say and as we heard before, yeah, big challenge is how to integrate things. and integration is not easy because of the silos that come from the past. because when you have to do cities, city's made of bricks and steel and concrete and glass....
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and i think the u.s. has already made a number of mistakes in this case with overkill and overaggressive accusations against him, which he's used very much to his benefit. i mean, if you looked at the asylum decision that was given by the ecuadoran foreign minister consisted o after long recitation of things that were said by public affairs spokesmen, by department of defense, by american diplomats, american public officials and so on. i was just listening to this, like, stunned at it. so it just seems to me that that would backfire. >> so questions from the audience in the short time we have here. anybody want to ask anything? there's a question back here. >> on the subject of leaks, i think we have to ask "the new york times" how often do you get leaks that are just so egregious from a national security point of view that you just step back from? i'm sure you get a lot of boring stuff that you just don't want to write about, does that happen very often? and, scott, what is your preferred way of getting
and i think the u.s. has already made a number of mistakes in this case with overkill and overaggressive accusations against him, which he's used very much to his benefit. i mean, if you looked at the asylum decision that was given by the ecuadoran foreign minister consisted o after long recitation of things that were said by public affairs spokesmen, by department of defense, by american diplomats, american public officials and so on. i was just listening to this, like, stunned at it. so it...
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the u.s. supreme court. one thing i'd like to agree with ms. bowie on is where the rubber meets the road is k-12 # education. the reason we have a bold argument is the big gap in the academic qualifications and various racial groups coming out of high school and first grade for that matter, and that's where we should be pouring our energy and our resources, and i want to be clear, i am by no means saying that what students of color should not be at the best universities, but if they are admitted under similar standards or even slightly different standards from the other students, they are not harmed. it's great. the problem is not whether you're a student of color. it could happen to an athlete. if you were taken into a university, it's very much less prepared academically than your classmates, it's likely to harm you. if you are well qualified, you'll do fine. >> host: next call from sandy, cleveland, ohio, democrats' line. go ahead. >> caller: [inaudible] you don't have statistics to prove t
the u.s. supreme court. one thing i'd like to agree with ms. bowie on is where the rubber meets the road is k-12 # education. the reason we have a bold argument is the big gap in the academic qualifications and various racial groups coming out of high school and first grade for that matter, and that's where we should be pouring our energy and our resources, and i want to be clear, i am by no means saying that what students of color should not be at the best universities, but if they are...
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that is why the u.s. in the u.k. are very far wrong and what they call a crisis management group, to resolve the aspect of cross-border banking. is it done? no. should they finish? yes. then i can see her question with a lot more confidence. >> one thing we had to think about really have a talk about is monetary policy has been so accommodative that is distorted risk, returns and it's got to be unwound at some point. that's a great market timing issue and concern, which might be the next crisis. the other thing is what we've all heard today from everybody is dodd-frank is imperfect, but it also has useful elements. it has elements that you think about and how good the days. we need to continue to think about it. the orthodoxy of dodd-frank is the only solution as a scary one because the world of markets in everything else evolve. if we think dodd-frank is this going to save us from the next crisis, where lake the fridge behind the wine. people go around it. >> simon company talked about monetary fiscal policy. their
that is why the u.s. in the u.k. are very far wrong and what they call a crisis management group, to resolve the aspect of cross-border banking. is it done? no. should they finish? yes. then i can see her question with a lot more confidence. >> one thing we had to think about really have a talk about is monetary policy has been so accommodative that is distorted risk, returns and it's got to be unwound at some point. that's a great market timing issue and concern, which might be the next...
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u.s. has always been an exporter. and that was what created jobs. how do you see his promise of creating 12 million jobs in four years? >> unlikely. [laughter] >> okay. that's one view. anybody want to elaborate on that? >> look, i think we are in a completely different, you know, job market. we're about -- a few weeks during the convention which is bill clinton lineback in 1990 if you work hard and play by the rules you should expect to be in the american middle class. it's basically what he's been saying. obama repeated it. and i just don't think that's na. i don't think it's political. you have work harder, study harder, learn and relearn faster and reinvent the rule naps is because we are in a very different work environment technology is making older jobs outdate faster and spin off new jobs. and they each one requires more education. and i just think if we're going it i think america is a huge advantage in the world. because the i think the world is going to be divided going forward
u.s. has always been an exporter. and that was what created jobs. how do you see his promise of creating 12 million jobs in four years? >> unlikely. [laughter] >> okay. that's one view. anybody want to elaborate on that? >> look, i think we are in a completely different, you know, job market. we're about -- a few weeks during the convention which is bill clinton lineback in 1990 if you work hard and play by the rules you should expect to be in the american middle class. it's...
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the u.s. assured jerusalem it was not going to let pakistan develop the bomb, and one day the pakistanis did and that was the end of that picture. so the israelis do not want that to happen again. and one of the reasons is -- and this is the existential part of their argument -- i don't think i would agree that really iran is going to necessarily send a bomb straight over to israel if it happens to develop one. what the existential threat relies on is the fact that israel is the only middle east power at the moment to have a bomb. and if iran gets it, the entire thing shifts because they're on opposite sides of the great power alliances and israel would no longer be able to dominate militarily in a theater it has been more or less able to evenly dominate simply because it has that final nuclear capability. what was the third one? if it doesn't attack at all? in my talk, -- then we get into a waiting game. the united states is very committed to iran not getting a nuclear weapon. it would be an
the u.s. assured jerusalem it was not going to let pakistan develop the bomb, and one day the pakistanis did and that was the end of that picture. so the israelis do not want that to happen again. and one of the reasons is -- and this is the existential part of their argument -- i don't think i would agree that really iran is going to necessarily send a bomb straight over to israel if it happens to develop one. what the existential threat relies on is the fact that israel is the only middle...
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u.s. banks in those comparisons are typically measured under u.s. gap in the european banks are under ifr is, quite a different accounting standard that allows much less derivatives. if you have a derivatives book, as is jpmorgan chase and bank of america, for example, then the difference of accounting standards makes a huge difference on the balance sheet. jpmorgan chase is around 3.9 or $4 trillion total assets. that we can assess its accounting standard your preferred from an investor point of view or from a regulatory damage control point of view. i think it has a lot of appeal in the downside damage that an economy can withstand or someone like phil me next time in the treasury be staring in the face. but in any case, which you compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges. jpmorgan chase is the largest bank in the world by a long way. the second point, which jamie diamond neglects to make a think you should be proud of the fact the second as with liquidation rate under sensible proposal by george w. bush administration taken up by the ob
u.s. banks in those comparisons are typically measured under u.s. gap in the european banks are under ifr is, quite a different accounting standard that allows much less derivatives. if you have a derivatives book, as is jpmorgan chase and bank of america, for example, then the difference of accounting standards makes a huge difference on the balance sheet. jpmorgan chase is around 3.9 or $4 trillion total assets. that we can assess its accounting standard your preferred from an investor point...
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their remarks from the u.s. chamber of commerce legal summit are and -- a hour. >> see what we can do to push concepts forward. our final panel of the afternoon focuses on the event that is dominating conversation across the nation and the world actually. i've spoken to many people overseas recently, and everybody is focused on the upcoming election. obviously, from our perspective here at the institute of legal reform, whoever wins the presidential election will have a major impact on legal, regulatory, and enforcement issues going forward. just as crucial as the presidential election, for many of us, are the congressional contests that determine the control, obviously, of the senate and the house. to discuss the upcoming elections, we have invited two well-known political figures from the great commonwealth of pennsylvania, former senator rick santorum, a republican, and former governor ed rendell, a democrat. neither of these men are known for being at a loss for words so i think we'll have a very lively disc
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while growing prospects to use the for u.s. influence in the region, especially given the security problems in a recent embassy attacks and challenges await governance and weak institutions. >> a great book to read on that it's not too much promised land by aaron david miller. he is a great section on how strong we think we are in the region and what we can get done and what the people on the ground think we can get done. we need to work with our allies. we need to talk to local intelligence services. that's a big problem now. we've lost contact in the intelligence services that we provide information about the bad guy. >> at huge cost -- i mean, it's not like there's any great nostalgia for the egyptians, right? >> the thing is we have a great relationship. at the end of his life, gadhafi, when condoleezza rice visited a think in 2006 or 2007, i think nixon's visit, vice president nixon's visit in 1967 or 68 was the big achievement of the bush administration put forward that they brought libya back in the cold. yes, there were
while growing prospects to use the for u.s. influence in the region, especially given the security problems in a recent embassy attacks and challenges await governance and weak institutions. >> a great book to read on that it's not too much promised land by aaron david miller. he is a great section on how strong we think we are in the region and what we can get done and what the people on the ground think we can get done. we need to work with our allies. we need to talk to local...
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u.s. senate. u.s. senator bob menendez, democratic incumbent and his republican challenger, state senator joe kyrillos. questioning tonight, alfred doblin, the editorial editor of "the record and herald news." brigid callahan harrison, professor political science at my here at montclair state university. herb jackson, washington correspondent for the record. and my colleague, michael aron for njtv. we have questions reported earlier by the news director of wbgo-fm, doug doyle throughout the court pass. here are the rules. each candidate was 90 seconds for an opening and closing statement and each will have 60 seconds to answer questions for our panel. then we will build onto the next question. there is a title like that keeps us on schedule and it is my job to try to enforce a timing light. the audience has promised once again can make my job a bit easier and show proper respect to candidates by holding a pause until we end this broadcast. if you'd like to join the conversation during the
u.s. senate. u.s. senator bob menendez, democratic incumbent and his republican challenger, state senator joe kyrillos. questioning tonight, alfred doblin, the editorial editor of "the record and herald news." brigid callahan harrison, professor political science at my here at montclair state university. herb jackson, washington correspondent for the record. and my colleague, michael aron for njtv. we have questions reported earlier by the news director of wbgo-fm, doug doyle...
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not only the u.s. catholic bishops, but many other proponents of religious liberty oppose the obama administration regulations. through his great credit, the obama administration had proposed a compromise that such employees would be covered for contraception, but the institution would not have to pay for it. now, ms. luke called that a brilliant solution as i recall and in many ways, i think of ways. here's a conflict situation. how can you solve it to keep everybody happy? now no compromise is perfect definition, but nonetheless it seems to me this is an ideal way to handle the situation. unfortunately, the united states bishops failed to go along with it and opposed it in the name of religious freedom good and as they say, i think they've forgotten that freedom and the rights of other people. so i think the compromise is an ideal way to solve these issues. it has been done in the past. it is not always been done. and let's face it, the whole political spectrum today, from left and right, it's unwill
not only the u.s. catholic bishops, but many other proponents of religious liberty oppose the obama administration regulations. through his great credit, the obama administration had proposed a compromise that such employees would be covered for contraception, but the institution would not have to pay for it. now, ms. luke called that a brilliant solution as i recall and in many ways, i think of ways. here's a conflict situation. how can you solve it to keep everybody happy? now no compromise...
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i have to admit in u.s. and elsewhere about the future of a two-state peace between israel and palestinian. dr. walid khalidi, it's great to have you with us. would you speak for 40 or 45 minutes or so and we'll have time for some questions. >> ladies and gentlemen, thank you, ambassador, for your very, very, kind, generous words. i have the great honor of and privilege of addressing this very distinguished audience which happily contains so many friendly faces too. i have the greatest respect for the middle east institute. middle east institute is a -- a very special species -- [inaudible] can you hear me? as i was saying, -- i have greatest respect for the middle east institute, and the middle east institute it's not working? [inaudible] [laughter] i'm surprised that despite the warm welcome, the acoustics seem to be -- [laughter] i think so. [laughter] the thought crossed my mind. can you hear me? okay. so i i thank the ambassador wilcox for his kind and generous and very e fusive and friendly remarkings.
i have to admit in u.s. and elsewhere about the future of a two-state peace between israel and palestinian. dr. walid khalidi, it's great to have you with us. would you speak for 40 or 45 minutes or so and we'll have time for some questions. >> ladies and gentlemen, thank you, ambassador, for your very, very, kind, generous words. i have the great honor of and privilege of addressing this very distinguished audience which happily contains so many friendly faces too. i have the greatest...
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suddenly start firing on the u.s. troops and nato forces more than 50 people have been killed, soldiers have been killed in those attacks just in the last year or so. so, they both seem to gloss over those dangers pretty significantly, and then you have this huge fight about iraq as well. whether obama would have left the tracks behind. i thought the president was a little off the mark at least he never got called foley on the carpet for the fact that the white house did want to lead troops in iraq. they tried to negotiate the lead troops in iraq. not as many as romney would have. he talked about ten to 30,000. the white house never put out a number but was reported to be plugging at three to 5,000. but romney was actually right on that point. the white house wanted to leave troops there and failed to get a deal and then did a complete pullout at the end of last year and the president proclaimed as a victory because it was so complete. even though that wasn't what his administration had asked for. >> josh, when you ar
suddenly start firing on the u.s. troops and nato forces more than 50 people have been killed, soldiers have been killed in those attacks just in the last year or so. so, they both seem to gloss over those dangers pretty significantly, and then you have this huge fight about iraq as well. whether obama would have left the tracks behind. i thought the president was a little off the mark at least he never got called foley on the carpet for the fact that the white house did want to lead troops in...
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he is the highest-ranking military officer in the u.s. armed forces and the principle military advisor to the president, the secretary of defense and the national security council. prior to becoming chairman he served briefly as the army's 307th chief of staff. general dempsey is a bit of an unexpected appointment. he had just been sworn in as the army chief of staff a couple of months prior but when the nomination process for another candidate stalled general dempsey was called to serve a grateful nation and he has done so with distinction. since taking the chairman's job a year ago, the 37 year army veteran has made headlines by dealing with the infamous curran burning pastor by calling him up and asking them to withdraw his support for the anti-muslim video that sparked protests across the middle east. he expressed disappointment over the navy s.e.a.l. who published an off direct account of the killing of osama bin laden. he said in an israeli attack on iran would clearly delayed but probably not destroy iran's nuclear program. he ps j
he is the highest-ranking military officer in the u.s. armed forces and the principle military advisor to the president, the secretary of defense and the national security council. prior to becoming chairman he served briefly as the army's 307th chief of staff. general dempsey is a bit of an unexpected appointment. he had just been sworn in as the army chief of staff a couple of months prior but when the nomination process for another candidate stalled general dempsey was called to serve a...
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it was the romney that i saw when he was running for the u.s. senate in massachusetts back in 1994, kind of a pragmatic problem solver nonideological. what would have put them at the 35/40-yard line but i think he was for the first time this whole campaign who he was as opposed to pretending to be somebody he wasn't. >> judy? >> i think, i keep thinking of "the new yorker" cover cartoon with romney standing there with an empty chair behind obama. a little harsh but i think that is what a lot of people came away to believe. i think it's hard to understand truly what happened to the president. we all know he was cool and somewhat distant demeanor and i think that explains some of it, but it also seems to reflect as charlie just said that the president didn't take it seriously and didn't take romney as seriously of a threat as he should have but the reason i'm having a hard time understanding that is clearly his campaign knew that romney is a great debater. if you go back and watch romney's debate in 1994 concentric kennedy and 2002 against his opp
it was the romney that i saw when he was running for the u.s. senate in massachusetts back in 1994, kind of a pragmatic problem solver nonideological. what would have put them at the 35/40-yard line but i think he was for the first time this whole campaign who he was as opposed to pretending to be somebody he wasn't. >> judy? >> i think, i keep thinking of "the new yorker" cover cartoon with romney standing there with an empty chair behind obama. a little harsh but i think...
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we have the u.s. launch of this back in april. it was a big day. today we brought back our quantity for the rest of the year.c13 did a preview show last night and 11:00 p.m. and we sold three times as many as we expected so we are down toc13 final quantity 2012. of white or black and you get two of them for $159.95. my home it made such an important difference. icon. art massey is here to round us so. faisal >>guest: stage filtration and this is the only unit that we have that offers that. -- stage5 stage catches the pet hair and dander. the second filter casted is the allergens and then we have you violight that helps to kill and bacteriac13 have followed a catalytic oxidation and that it's the chemicals of the air that affects odors. then wes the doggie odors and such. the front and the lower front corner that you cannot see right now there is a member aigner that turns ozone into oxygen.you know where that is perfect? the workplace tons and tons of ozone in it because of photocopiers computers and electric lights. if you have an allergy you do n
we have the u.s. launch of this back in april. it was a big day. today we brought back our quantity for the rest of the year.c13 did a preview show last night and 11:00 p.m. and we sold three times as many as we expected so we are down toc13 final quantity 2012. of white or black and you get two of them for $159.95. my home it made such an important difference. icon. art massey is here to round us so. faisal >>guest: stage filtration and this is the only unit that we have that offers...
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first order of business for us is run through the models is the u.s. tax what the affects would be by folks house hold with different income levels see what would happen to the tax rate. those in the room have a hand out that summarizes as a results we have. those at home should be able to find the full study on the website at tax policy center of dpoirg. and what you see, again, is a typical middle class household looking at the tax increase of $2,000. that works out to somewhere in the neighborhood of a 4% point increase in the tax rate. roughly the same increase in tax rate for people in other income levels. if you would for people at the lowest income level and medium and middle within roughly a 4% increase in the tax rate. obviously the dollar amount varies for folks in the lowest begin teal work to $400. the one really strong noticeable difference is the high end of the income distribution. when you get to people in the top 1% income distribution they're tax go up by 7% points and it works to $120 ,000. a large amount of money at stake folks in t
first order of business for us is run through the models is the u.s. tax what the affects would be by folks house hold with different income levels see what would happen to the tax rate. those in the room have a hand out that summarizes as a results we have. those at home should be able to find the full study on the website at tax policy center of dpoirg. and what you see, again, is a typical middle class household looking at the tax increase of $2,000. that works out to somewhere in the...
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in addition to the fact that it is a great work, it would have retarded what later became the arc of u.s./british reconciliation. that is not the purpose of your book but has that occurred to you? it has occurred to me for some time. >> they will indeed have enjoyed defiling the image of the father of our country. >> maybe but mostly because it becomes a grievance. individual grievances interfering with reconciliation with between countries. >> despite the fact that it was really jennings and some of his co-workers who followed through on the actual rescue that is why i would never say is fair to give dolley madison the credit because her patriotic impulse to make sure that didn't happen that led to the rescue of the portrait. if you go to see one of these portraits of george washington painted by gilbert stuart there is the one in the east room that is there today because of the action of jennings and others but also another one that is in the national portrait gallery. it is 95 inches high. you don't know until you look at it was an effort of work had to be to remove it from the wall.
in addition to the fact that it is a great work, it would have retarded what later became the arc of u.s./british reconciliation. that is not the purpose of your book but has that occurred to you? it has occurred to me for some time. >> they will indeed have enjoyed defiling the image of the father of our country. >> maybe but mostly because it becomes a grievance. individual grievances interfering with reconciliation with between countries. >> despite the fact that it was...
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i just became a u.s. citizen over the last year. it is a dream come true. to say that your boat does not count i think that is ludicrous. the incumbent president says siam the winner where i come from. it is precious to me so i go out with my regis -- with my accent asking people have you registered? have you registered? have you registered? my wife and i go out there everyday not being on doors. we never have that freedom. in the great nation of ours i don't believe that. >>host: where did you move here from? >>guest: west africa. liberia at. >>guest: congratulations on your citizenship. you are right to highlight the difference between america's uncorrupted election not that there has been voting irregularities but we do live in a place where elections are free and fair that is huge to be contrasted with other countries where the elections are counterfeit. but that is not the same thing as saying if i do not vote the will system comes crumbling down. i was lucky enough to be born in the country and i have never voted with the large-scale public will aucti
i just became a u.s. citizen over the last year. it is a dream come true. to say that your boat does not count i think that is ludicrous. the incumbent president says siam the winner where i come from. it is precious to me so i go out with my regis -- with my accent asking people have you registered? have you registered? have you registered? my wife and i go out there everyday not being on doors. we never have that freedom. in the great nation of ours i don't believe that. >>host: where...
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but where the u.s. department of education guidelines are. that is all confusing to people. when can administrators draw the line in the settings? went candidate? some legislators have tried to have an successfully passed legislation in texas and elsewhere to try to get schools to put that model in place, hoping to write students put the microphone and a built-in safeguards and those kinds of people chosen trying to set it up to get the right speech. the idea is kind of ironic. they get their religious speech i would say. so that is one cluster of issues to think about his sword out to people because it's complicated for people to understand where that line is drawn. the other has to do with bible courses but there's a lot of bible courses and know it's really focused on it. and states pass laws to encourage bible courses. but these laws are not changing anything much to whether schools may have bible electives. they can do that before the law. what they are doing is trying to encourage and offer state support for those local districts who want to do these bible courses. the
but where the u.s. department of education guidelines are. that is all confusing to people. when can administrators draw the line in the settings? went candidate? some legislators have tried to have an successfully passed legislation in texas and elsewhere to try to get schools to put that model in place, hoping to write students put the microphone and a built-in safeguards and those kinds of people chosen trying to set it up to get the right speech. the idea is kind of ironic. they get their...